tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post6216286359960023131..comments2023-09-28T00:27:18.615-07:00Comments on Tom in Vegas: Mary Co-redemptrixTom in Vegashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17821971426359725229noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-48938363217106835702008-05-29T14:22:00.000-07:002008-05-29T14:22:00.000-07:00Shirley-That I can go with:0). Mary co-piloting w...Shirley-<BR/><BR/>That I can go with:0). Mary co-piloting with us is quite different than co-redeeming with Jesus.<BR/><BR/>IR-<BR/><BR/>I'd hate to lose you, my friend, over something like this to the Orthodox (say, aren't they trying the same thing?). I don't think this Co-Redemptrix thing will ever make it to dogma anyway.Tom in Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821971426359725229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-29394447139034258302008-05-29T08:38:00.000-07:002008-05-29T08:38:00.000-07:00I would, without a moments hesitation, go Orthodox...I would, without a moments hesitation, go Orthodox if the Church adopted the title 'Co-Redemptrix".<BR/><BR/>My thinking would be that an anti-pope had control of the see of Rome, and had entered into heresy.<BR/><BR/>I would wait until a valid pope was elected and removed this from the body of Christian dogma.ignorant redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15718783732896413346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-11266262923593750282008-05-29T06:04:00.000-07:002008-05-29T06:04:00.000-07:00"no co-pilot is needed when he is capable of handl..."no co-pilot is needed when he is capable of handling that job just fine by hinself."<BR/>Think of it this way; it is not God that needs a co-pilot, it's us.Shirleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15454110560303310751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-68999324223748549242008-05-28T17:54:00.000-07:002008-05-28T17:54:00.000-07:00Tom, the last two paragraphs of your post sum up m...Tom, the last two paragraphs of your post sum up my feelings exactly. A lot of people would disagree with me, but I seriously question that we need the title "Coredemptrix" promulgated as a dogma, when we have lived with the status quo for 2000 years.Melody Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00442985285647041700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-15966965491242584222008-05-27T14:10:00.000-07:002008-05-27T14:10:00.000-07:00PG-I'm on it. I will look for the book this weeken...PG-<BR/><BR/>I'm on it. I will look for the book this weekend. We have a rather good size Catholic bookstore here in (of all places) Vegas. I haven't been there in years since I buy most of my books on-line. THANK YOU for the recommendation and to Shirley for the insight:0)Tom in Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821971426359725229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-77341205702501183962008-05-26T22:38:00.000-07:002008-05-26T22:38:00.000-07:00Tom, you should read the Glories of Mary by St. Al...Tom, you should read the Glories of Mary by St. Alphonsus Liquori. You will fully understand Mary's unique role in the Church and why she is (unofficially) given the title of co-redemptrix. Many of the saints, including St. Alphonsus, refer her by this title. I can't recommend the book enough.paramedicgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-36022126595430803192008-05-26T15:40:00.000-07:002008-05-26T15:40:00.000-07:00Shirley-Thank you for your thoughtful comments:0)c...Shirley-<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your thoughtful comments:0)<BR/><BR/>co: A prefix added to the start of a word. Indicates that "with" or "together."<BR/><BR/>Redemtrix: Is the feminine agent of redeemer.<BR/><BR/>These definitions are derived from mainstream English lexicons.<BR/><BR/>If you bring these two words together, you have a title that is theologically antonymic. Mary, in her saintly status, does NOT compliment God in anyway because God is a perfect, incomprehensible whole. He is the Great "I AM", not the great "we are." She is truly the greatest of all saints, but this does not mean she redeems with the One Redeemer. <BR/><BR/>If we want to attach new titles or terminologies to Mary that more clearly define her status, then we must choose expressions that do not blur the distinct differences between her and her son.Tom in Vegashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17821971426359725229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-53087798339394365962008-05-26T11:15:00.000-07:002008-05-26T11:15:00.000-07:00"When the Church invokes Mary under the title, "Co..."When the Church invokes Mary under the title, "Co-redemptrix", she means that Mary uniquely participated in the redemption of the human family by Jesus Christ, Our Lord and Saviour."<BR/><BR/>I think you may be reading too much into this.<BR/><BR/>"But I have difficulty accepting the notion that Mary is somehow a complement or supplement in the direct salvation of my soul, which is what the fifth dogma would imply. To do so would indicate that Jesus Christ's divinity is somehow incomplete."<BR/><BR/>Accepting Mary as a compliment to the salvation of our souls in no way takes away from or undermines the divinity of Christ. Mary does not judge our actions or hand out redemption; she simply leads us to her son, The Redeemer. Just as He came to us through her, we can go to Him through her; everything we do through Mary can lead us only to Him. God didn't need to come to us through her; He chose her,and when we go to Mary, we go to God through her. Her sole purpose is to bring us to Him. This makes her, in my mind, the Co-redemptrix; she does not take His place, but rather takes us to Him.Shirleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15454110560303310751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-43662592261846083732008-05-25T18:54:00.000-07:002008-05-25T18:54:00.000-07:00I don't know nearly enough to say yes or no but th...I don't know nearly enough to say yes or no but this is some good food for thought that you have given me.. so thanks!!Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01038639159416547700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-34228954069424199692008-05-25T16:23:00.000-07:002008-05-25T16:23:00.000-07:00Tom: Not sure about that group. I agree your inter...Tom: Not sure about that group. I agree your interpretations are correct if this group is making it sound like Mary is a member of the the Trinity.<BR/><BR/>However, Mary does have a unique and powerful role to play as Intercessor beyond all others.Cathy_of_Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795566831031491371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-79893363197247274702008-05-25T15:45:00.000-07:002008-05-25T15:45:00.000-07:00Tom, perhaps it would help you to understand this ...Tom, perhaps it would help you to understand this better if you read some of the documents at the following site?<BR/><BR/>http://www.catholic-pages.com/DIR/coredemptrix.aspukokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11676940507604813998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-527242886340702312.post-24294576366784097842008-05-25T11:11:00.000-07:002008-05-25T11:11:00.000-07:00Hear, hear!If we're not careful, some of the Chris...Hear, hear!<BR/><BR/>If we're not careful, some of the Christian "goddess cults" of the Middle Ages will see a revival!Tchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13388784325608457371noreply@blogger.com